PART 6 HOW TO CEILIMG FAN WIND TURBINE

by Don Child on July 8, 2010

THIS IS A VIDEO TO SHOW THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE BIG SYSTEMS OUT THERE. THE BLACK UNIT IN THE BACK GROUND IS THE ONE THAT IM MAKING FOR A FRIEND WHO WILL USE IT WITH GREAT GLADNESS. HIS ELECTRICAL SYSTEM WAS ALMOST COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY LIGHTENING. IT WOULD COST TOO MUCH FOR REPAIRS AND NEW DEPOSITS AND OLD BILL TO RECONNECT, ESPECIALY WITH REPAIRS FOR A NEW SERVICE BOX AND UPDATING TO A BREAKER SYSTEM AND THE WIRES DESTROYED IN THE HOUSE. ALTHOUGH THIS UNIT WILL NOT NORMALLY SUPPLY A NORMAL HOUSE HOLD IT WILL ALLOW HIM TO HAVE LIGHTS , RADIO, TV , CELLPHONE CHARGING, AND A FEW MORE THINGS BUT NOT ALL AT ONCE OR CONSTANTLY. BUT 20 DOLLARS A DAY FOR GAS IN A GENERATOR IS NOT AN OPTION EITHER. A BAG OF ICE, AND A COOLER IS. WE ARE MAKING A SOLAR HOT WATER HEATER AS WELL. BY 1:00 PM HE WILL HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO DO DISHES AND GET A NICE HOT SHOWER. THEN RELAX BY THE TV OR RADIO FOR A FEW HOURS ON STORED ENERGY. THEN GO TO SLEEP WITH A SMILE. IF HE GETS UP IN THE NIGHT HE CAN JUST TURN ON THE LIGHT. AND ITS ALL FREE. I HAVE ONE CONFESSION TO MAKE ABOUT THE ONE IN THE FIRST VIDEO THAT EVERYONE HAS COMPLEMENTED ON FROM THE BEGINNING. THAT IS , THAT THE ONE THAT IS IN THE VIDEO IS THE 7th OR 8th ONE I DID. I DID IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE BUT I DESTROYED ONE OF THE COIL SETS IN IT BY PULLING ON THE WIRES TO HARD WHILE I WAS RETHREADING THE WIRES TO COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE. BUT THE 12 VOLT SYSTEM INSTEAD OF 24 VOLT SYSTEM WILL NOT SLOW THE BLADES DOWN WHEN

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muddymuddymuddmann July 8, 2010 at 8:33 pm

@kenoki007 YA I SAW A COMMENT WITH CONTINUE AT THE END OF IT, AND NO COMMENT AFTER THAT. MAYBE THE POST DIDNT GO THROUGH OR YOU LEFT THE PAGE BEFORE IT REGISTERED.
GLAD TO HELP
MUDDy

kenoki007 July 8, 2010 at 9:07 pm

muddy my friend i post you 2 comments but i only can c one but when i put another post i sw the number of comments rise but i cant c the post, can u c it ?? im new on youtube channels and post heheh i thing this is the first time i post to someone i always used youtube as video enterteinment until now its cool know people with the same interests and lear from people like you tnx

muddymuddymuddmann July 8, 2010 at 9:38 pm

@kenoki007 I HAVENT USED CONTROLLERS IN MY SYSTEM SO FAR. I WOULD SAY YES BUT I’M NOT SURE. ALL I HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT I STUDY AND DO.
THE CEILING FAN WIND TURBINE IS A SMALL POWER OUTPUT THAT IS EASY TO DRAG DOWN THE VOLTAGE. I WOULD BELIEVE THE CONTROLLER WOULD HANDLE IT EASILY , BUT I CANT VERIFY THAT ONE. I WILL ASK A FRIEND ABOUT IT WHO USES ONE ON HIS SYSTEM WITH THE CEILING FAN WIND TURBINE.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 8, 2010 at 10:34 pm

@kenoki007 WHAT IS YOUR BATTERY BANK VOLTAGE? AND WHAT IS THE CHARGE CONTROLLERS VOLTAGE INPUT?

muddymuddymuddmann July 8, 2010 at 10:56 pm

@kenoki007 TRAVISIMO!! GREAT JOB! NOW THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE IS THAT IF YOU HOOK THE DC TO A BATTERY BANK OF A VOLTAGE CALLED (A)DC,
IF YOU PUT A METER ON THE AC TERMINALS OF THE RECTIFIERS, YOU WILL READ (A)VOLTS AC AS WELL. THE WHOLE SYSTEM GOES DOWN TO THE SAME VOLTAGE WHETHER IT’S AC OR DC AT THAT POINT.
YOU ASK QUESTIONS, BUT YOU LEARN FAST! GREAT JOB!
MUDDy THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS.
GLAD TO HELP.
ANYTIME!

muddymuddymuddmann July 8, 2010 at 11:53 pm

@kenoki007 ***CONTINUED A1*** THE NEXT SYSTEM IN ORDER… WIND TURBINE , RECTIFIERS DC OUT, BATTERY OR BATTERIES, GRID TIE. I BELIEVE THE GRID TIE WILL DRAIN OFF THE EXCESS. IF THE GRID GOES DOWN FOR A LONG TIME , WATCH THE OVER CHARGE. NEXT SYSTEM…. WIND TURBINE PARALLEL WITH THE SOLAR PANELS, SOLAR PANELS MUST HAVE A BLOCKING DIODE FOR PROTECTION. CHARGE CONTROLLER, AND FINALLY FROM THE CONTROLLER TO THE BATTERIES AND ALSO FROM THE CONTROLLER TO THE DUMP LOAD.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 12:48 am

@kenoki007 I SEE WERE THE CONFUSION IS! I WAS TALKING ABOUT A CAR BATTERY CHARGER, 12 VDC. IN ORDER…. WIND TURBINE AC SIDE BEFORE THE RECTIFIERS, TO THE CAR BATTERY CHARGER. THEN THE BATTERIES. (THIS SYSTEM WILL NOT STOP OVER CHARGING). THEN NEXT SYSTEM IS IN THIS ORDER… WIND TURBINE, RECTIFIERS DC OUT TO THE BATTERIES. THIS SYSTEM IS LOW POWER AND IF YOU USE THE POWER OFTEN THE BATTERIES WILL NOT OVER CHARGE. *** CONTINUED*** A1

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 1:16 am

@kenoki007 ALMOST! A CHARGE CONTROLLER DOES MORE THAN JUST SWITCHING. IT SAMPLES THE VOLTAGE AND CONTROLS THE LOAD TO KEEP THE TURBINE SPINNING IN ITS POWER BAND FOR MORE EFFECTIVE POWER OUT. DO YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED ONE TO CHARGE BATTERIES ?, NO. BUT THEYHELP A LOT TO GET MORE OUT, AND TO PROTECT AGAINST OVER CHARGE. A DUMP LOAD IS A HIGH WATT RESISTIVE LOAD THAT KEEPS A LOAD ON THE WIND TURBINE SO IT DOESNT FREE WHEEL OR OVER SPEED.
YOU CAN USE THE ELEMENT FROM AN ELECTRIC HEATER.
MUDDy

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 1:43 am

hi again muddy, you talk about a dump load, how can this be made, i suppose this is what charge controllers do, when the batt is fully charged they just dump load and stop passing charge rigth ??

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 2:16 am

so in resume, the best is to connect the alternator to a bridge rectifier an go to the batteries and then to the tie inverter, and ill never overcharge the batteries cause i allways be putting energy in the grid rigth ??, when you say go to a battery charger AC you mean a battery charger like AA or AAA Batts ?? and then to the 12 V batteris so i will charging alway the batteries and i dont need a rectifier rigth ?? if i do this, does the variations of the voltage can damage my batts ??

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 2:54 am

@kenoki007 go directly to the batteries, or use a battery charger from the ac side of the turbine. because they are low amp units, they are very versatile for direct hook up to most voltages. if you are going to use the ac side of the voltage (before the diodes), and you want a higher voltage, just hook one of the 4 ac wires coming out of the alternator to one of the wires on the other coil. use the ac from the remaining wires. this puts out 2 times the ac voltage.
muddY

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 3:37 am

@kenoki007 you can also take the ac side of the voltage from the wind turbine dirrectly to a 12 battery charger and go that route.
muDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 4:12 am

@kenoki007 most charge controlers work within a certain voltage range on the input.
The open voltage of the turbine cant excede that voltage. Even in wind gusts. not to worry though. a friend and i are finishing up a charge controller that makes this wind turbine go from 9% efficient to 55%. that’s a good efficiency.
If I were going to use a grid tie inverter, I would go to a battery first so I could keep the voltage with in limits.
muddY

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 4:44 am

mr muddy if i use a charge controller, does the battery still working as voltage regulator ???

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 4:47 am

@muddymuddymuddmann So what you mean with this is that if i have 12V batts, the Voltage would be 12V in all the system if i have 24Vbatts would be 24V in the output of the rectifier no matter if is AC or DC, if befor my rectifier i go 90AC after the rectifier my voltage would be the same as my Battery Bank rigth ?? tnx a lot mr muddy

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 4:55 am

will work as voltage regulator as in the video….or for this to happend i need to hook up the wind generator directly to the batteries?? tnx

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 5:02 am

you are good muddy and i really appreciate the amability of your part for clearing all my doubts, i wanna ask you if in the specs of the box of the fan you can know the aprox amps would give as a generator. and other thing im using a charge controller of 12V/24V and 10 amps, can i hook up this motor to the same charge controller, or how can i make with the rectifiers that the voltage wouldnt be more than 12 or 24 V’s, or just with connecting the charge controller to the batteries ***continue***

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 5:51 am

@kenoki007 WITH THESE UNITS YOU CAN DO EITHER ONE. I WOULD JUST HOOK IT UP TO THE SYSTEM IN PARALLEL. IT WILL STILL PUT OUT ALMOST AS MUCH POWER. AND DEPENDING ON THE MOTOR USED, YOU COULD GET 2 TO 3 AMPS IN 20MPH WIND. 1 AMP FOR AN HOUR IS 1 AMP HOUR, SO 2 TO 3 AMP HOURS PER HOUR ON A GOOD MOTOR. THE CHEAP ONES WILL DO ABOUT 1/2 TO 3/4 AMPS.
MUDDy

kenoki007 July 9, 2010 at 6:20 am

muddy so if my motor give me 90V i need a bank of batery of 48V ? can you tell me how much V and Amps does your motor give of output ??, i think this is very cool but a llittle bit more complicated of understand than solar energy, i have a 250W at 18V Solar panel system, with 2 100AH batterys hook up in parallel, if i want to connect a gneretator like this as complement do i have to put inseries my baterries and double the Volts of my panels??, and other thig if i want to reduce ***Continue***

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 7:03 am

@tordherflower SORRY I MISSED THIS QUESTION BEFORE!
IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH POLARITY YOU START WITH. START WITH POLARITY A ON ONE COIL AND THEN POLARITY B ON THE NEXT COIL. THEN A ON THE NEXT COIL AND B ON THE NEXT ONE UNTIL YOU FINISH THE MAGNET RING. AFTER YOU COMPLETE THE RING, EVEN THEM OUT, THEN PUT DROPS OF SUPERGLUE ON THE SIDE OF EACH ONE. IT WILL RUN UNDER THE MAGNETS AND IN BETWEEN THEM. THEN EPOXY THEM.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 7:04 am

@jeremynchristian THE WIRES FROM ONE COIL GO TO ONE BRIDGE RECTIFIER. THE WIRES FROM THE SECOND COIL GO TO THE SECOND BRIDGE RECTIFIER.
THE OUTPUTS FROM THE 2 RECTIFIERS ARE HOOKED IN PARALLEL. THIS GIVES US THE SAME VOLTAGE AS ONE RECTIFIER AND 2 TIMES THE CURRENT CAPABILITY.
IF WE HOOK THE OUTPUTS IN SERIES, WE HAVE 2 TIMES THE VOLTAGE AND THE CURRENT STAYS THE SAME AS ONE RECTIFIER OUTPUT. THESE THINGS PUT OUT PLENTY OF VOLTS SO I PREFER PARALLEL CONFIGURATION.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 7:19 am

@jeremynchristian THE PIGGY BACH HOOK UP IS COMPLETE. AND DOESNT NEED ANY MORE PARTS. THE 1N4002 DIODE BRIDE RECTIFIER CIRCUIT THAT I MADE IS JUST FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES FOR THOSE THAT CANT SEEM TO FIND BRIDGE RECTIFIERS IN A PACKAGE FORM.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 8:00 am

@jeremynchristian THE 1N4002 IS A DIODE. FOUR OF THEM ARE A DIODE BRIDGE RECTIFIER. I HAVE SHOWN 2 DIFFERENT CIRCUITS. ONE IN A PACKAGE AND ONE THAT I MADE OUT OF INDIVIDUAL DIODES. BOTH ARE THE SAME THING.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 8:18 am

@kenoki007 THE SIZE OF THE WIRE IN THE WINDINGS IS SMALL DIAMETER. SO THERE IS A HIGH RESISTANCE TO CURRENT FLOW. WHEN YOU HOOK THIS UNIT TO A 12 VOLT BATTERY THE EXCESS VOLTAGE IS TURNED INTO CURRENT AND HEAT IN THE ALTERNATOR. THE BEST BATTERY VOLTAGE FOR THE UNIT IS HALF OF THE OPEN VOLTAGE IN A MODERATE WIND.
SMALL MOTORS WILL PUT OUT .5 AMPS, AND GOOD MOTORS WILL PUT OUT 2 OR 3 AMPS. SMALL PROPS SPIN FAST, BIG PROPS SPIN SLOW LOWERING THE VOLTAGE. MATCHING IT ALL UP IS THE KEY.
MUDDy

muddymuddymuddmann July 9, 2010 at 9:07 am

@kenoki007 ***CONTINUED*** SO WHEN YOU HOOK THE OUTPUT OF THE RECTIFIER TO THE BATTERY, ALL VOLTAGES AC OR DC WILL BE THE SAME AS THE BATTERY VOLTAGE. ALL EXCESS VOLTAGE WILL TURN INTO CURRENT CHARGING THE BATTERY. IN OTHER WORDS: THINK OF VOLTAGE LIKE PRESSURE. WHEN THE INPUT PRESSURE IS THE SAME AS THE BATTERY, NO CURRENT WILL FLOW.
WHEN THE INPUT PRESSURE IS HIGHER THAN THE BATTERY PRESSURE, CURRENT WILL FLOW INTO THE BATTERY. THE INPUT SIDE CAN NOT EXCEED THE BATTERY SIDE.
MUDDy

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